What kills me is that the rest of the series makes many references to The Gathering, so even if we can kind of pretend that Delenn never looked like that, are we still supposed to assume she was able to just haul Garibaldi up and carry him over her shoulders? Because it's one thing to go along with a retcon of someone's appearance, but another to imagine a different resolution to the climax.
It's just so goddamn weird.
Mira was probably also upset with the direction she must have gotten to not move her face; any time she speaks or makes too much of a facial gesture, you can see all kinds of horrible things happening where her big fake jaw is blended into her actual face. She's kind of gritting out all of her dialogue through clenched teeth. It's awful.
There are also enormous gaps between her bone crest and her head. It's just an awful job all around. I wish I had that gif of Gary Oldman from The Professional screaming "I have had it with this Mickey mouse bullshit!" because it's really the only appropriate response.
I'm stuck with the hilarious but awesome mental image of Delenn just sort of up and picking up Sheridan at some point, and him being all "BWUH?" Because of course she'd have spent the past however-many 15 or so years pretending that she was a Delicate Flower of Femininity because her research indicates that Human men might get a little freaked by the idea of a girl half their size who can, you know, pick them up and throw them over her shoulder.
Also, this makes her complete lack of fighting back in "GROPOS" just that extra bit more appalling. Which is pretty scary considering I've always found her lack of nerve in that scene a little weird. Don't get me wrong, I'd be scared shitless in that situation and would probably be unable to so much as think, just like she seemed to be. I just hope for my heroines to be slightly more put-together than me, and Delenn certainly seems to be every other time we see her in a spot, so... it's a bit odd. Especially if she can pick them up and throw them over her shoulder.
Your description of the way the mask is pulling and the way poor Mira has to try to speak without emoting or moving her face just pains me. Pure and simple.
And... yeah. God, I'm glad I haven't seen this thing. The Boy keeps trying to convince me we should watch the movies next, because he's a total completist, but... I'm not sure I could handle it.
I'm stuck with the hilarious but awesome mental image of Delenn just sort of up and picking up Sheridan at some point, and him being all "BWUH?" Because of course she'd have spent the past however-many 15 or so years pretending that she was a Delicate Flower of Femininity because her research indicates that Human men might get a little freaked by the idea of a girl half their size who can, you know, pick them up and throw them over her shoulder.
I had to run downstairs in the middle of the night to turn off my computer because we were having a thunderstorm, but I of course had to check my email first, and let me just say that this is not the type of thing one should read in the middle of the night vaguely asleep. I laughed hard enough, I'm surprised I didn't wake the neighbors.
Can you imagine? God, can you even imagine Delenn, teeny, tiny Delenn of the series, just picking Sheridan up and carrying him around somewhere? Because we can't just ignore The Gathering, it's totally canon and referenced throughout the show, so that means that Delenn totally could just pick up grown men and carry them around.
Ugh, thanks for reminding me of that scene in "GROPOS." That is one of a scant handful of moments from the whole series where I'm just like, "Mira, honey, no." Much like your reaction to her vaudeville "gasp!" the other day. She's playing it like she's very angry, but the script has her being this scared little girl, and it's just the weirdest disconnect that doesn't work at all.
Because we can't just ignore The Gathering, it's totally canon and referenced throughout the show, so that means that Delenn totally could just pick up grown men and carry them around.
Apparently! Although that does put us in the strange position of re-imagining "The Gathering" without everyone looking horrifying. Which I guess is sort of how we remember large parts of the series anyway (ie, imagining that MedLab isn't made of badly-painted plywood, imagining that the Centauri court doesn't look like it could be blown over with a breath, imagining the early space scenes don't look like a really bad video game...), so that doesn't change much in the end. Delenn, though... It just piques the curiosity.
It's hard to forget, much as one may want to. It really is a bizarre disconnect. This is the woman who stands down whole fleets, who bullies the Warrior caste on a regular basis.
God, can you even imagine Delenn, teeny, tiny Delenn of the series, just picking Sheridan up and carrying him around somewhere?
Oh dear God, I just laughed so hard at this. So hard. I can't even... I mean, I cannot tell you how many times I have said that I would not want to make Delenn angry. That woman can be scary, yo. But this just takes it to a whole new dimension.
Excuse me while I go laugh in my corner for a little while.
You know, one of those many times when Delenn was nagging Sheridan? "John, you need to rest, and eat." And he would shake his head and go on and on about all the shit he had to do? She should have just picked his ass up and carried him through the station and put him to bed herself.
It wouldn't have been vastly different from how things normally went, really.
I now wish that instead of dragging him up the stairs of the War Room by the hand in And the Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place, she would have threw him over her shoulder and hauled him off to church that way.
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Date: 2010-09-02 12:56 am (UTC)It's just so goddamn weird.
Mira was probably also upset with the direction she must have gotten to not move her face; any time she speaks or makes too much of a facial gesture, you can see all kinds of horrible things happening where her big fake jaw is blended into her actual face. She's kind of gritting out all of her dialogue through clenched teeth. It's awful.
There are also enormous gaps between her bone crest and her head. It's just an awful job all around. I wish I had that gif of Gary Oldman from The Professional screaming "I have had it with this Mickey mouse bullshit!" because it's really the only appropriate response.
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Date: 2010-09-02 05:05 am (UTC)Also, this makes her complete lack of fighting back in "GROPOS" just that extra bit more appalling. Which is pretty scary considering I've always found her lack of nerve in that scene a little weird. Don't get me wrong, I'd be scared shitless in that situation and would probably be unable to so much as think, just like she seemed to be. I just hope for my heroines to be slightly more put-together than me, and Delenn certainly seems to be every other time we see her in a spot, so... it's a bit odd. Especially if she can pick them up and throw them over her shoulder.
Your description of the way the mask is pulling and the way poor Mira has to try to speak without emoting or moving her face just pains me. Pure and simple.
And... yeah. God, I'm glad I haven't seen this thing. The Boy keeps trying to convince me we should watch the movies next, because he's a total completist, but... I'm not sure I could handle it.
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Date: 2010-09-02 11:52 am (UTC)I had to run downstairs in the middle of the night to turn off my computer because we were having a thunderstorm, but I of course had to check my email first, and let me just say that this is not the type of thing one should read in the middle of the night vaguely asleep. I laughed hard enough, I'm surprised I didn't wake the neighbors.
Can you imagine? God, can you even imagine Delenn, teeny, tiny Delenn of the series, just picking Sheridan up and carrying him around somewhere? Because we can't just ignore The Gathering, it's totally canon and referenced throughout the show, so that means that Delenn totally could just pick up grown men and carry them around.
Ugh, thanks for reminding me of that scene in "GROPOS." That is one of a scant handful of moments from the whole series where I'm just like, "Mira, honey, no." Much like your reaction to her vaudeville "gasp!" the other day. She's playing it like she's very angry, but the script has her being this scared little girl, and it's just the weirdest disconnect that doesn't work at all.
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Date: 2010-09-02 04:07 pm (UTC)Apparently! Although that does put us in the strange position of re-imagining "The Gathering" without everyone looking horrifying. Which I guess is sort of how we remember large parts of the series anyway (ie, imagining that MedLab isn't made of badly-painted plywood, imagining that the Centauri court doesn't look like it could be blown over with a breath, imagining the early space scenes don't look like a really bad video game...), so that doesn't change much in the end. Delenn, though... It just piques the curiosity.
It's hard to forget, much as one may want to. It really is a bizarre disconnect. This is the woman who stands down whole fleets, who bullies the Warrior caste on a regular basis.
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Date: 2010-09-03 01:27 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-02 05:47 pm (UTC)Oh dear God, I just laughed so hard at this. So hard. I can't even... I mean, I cannot tell you how many times I have said that I would not want to make Delenn angry. That woman can be scary, yo. But this just takes it to a whole new dimension.
Excuse me while I go laugh in my corner for a little while.
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Date: 2010-09-02 05:58 pm (UTC)It wouldn't have been vastly different from how things normally went, really.
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Date: 2010-09-02 06:12 pm (UTC)God, that would have been great.