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When you talk about TV, usually you talk about canon. What actually, factually happened in the episodes. Some people expand canon to include what the writers/producers/directors/actors have to say. Some include books or comics or other non-TV stories. Some include generally accepted interpretations of subtext - for instance, neither actually says it, but it's clear that John and Delenn are in love with each other well before the end of S3; raising that point would almost always be considered consistent with canon.
What I want to talk about is fanon. The things fans come up with on their own. I'm not particularly interested in fanon that contradicts canon; that's just being an obstinate fan who ends up bitterly hating the source material. But those little details that people come up with to flesh out the universe, be it in meta or fiction or something else, that may or may not end up becoming generally accepted.
nhpw brought this up the other day, about how in fic, you see a lot of "Sheridan is a god in bed." That's definitely a fanon thing. We (unfortunately) never learned on the show itself about his prowess, so that's an interpretation that was left up to the fans.
What fanon things do you accept yourself? Which ones do you hate? What's your own personal crazy fanon? Me, for instance, I like to imagine that Sheridan listened to classic rock growing up because that's what his great-granddad listened to - remember, "As my great-granddad would have said, 'cool'"? - and that when his parents were running around doing diplomat-y stuff, he stayed with relatives. He probably got shit for it at the Academy. But when he's in his office, late at night, doing boring paperwork, he just rocks out to "Carry On My Wayward Son" or something. Nothing in canon contradicts that, so I'm free to believe it as much as I want.
Also, when I imagine events S5 and later in my head, I can just pretend he doesn't have his stupid goatee and ugly brown hair; that is contradicted by canon, but since it's just in my head and I'm not doing fanart, I think it's okay.
What I want to talk about is fanon. The things fans come up with on their own. I'm not particularly interested in fanon that contradicts canon; that's just being an obstinate fan who ends up bitterly hating the source material. But those little details that people come up with to flesh out the universe, be it in meta or fiction or something else, that may or may not end up becoming generally accepted.
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What fanon things do you accept yourself? Which ones do you hate? What's your own personal crazy fanon? Me, for instance, I like to imagine that Sheridan listened to classic rock growing up because that's what his great-granddad listened to - remember, "As my great-granddad would have said, 'cool'"? - and that when his parents were running around doing diplomat-y stuff, he stayed with relatives. He probably got shit for it at the Academy. But when he's in his office, late at night, doing boring paperwork, he just rocks out to "Carry On My Wayward Son" or something. Nothing in canon contradicts that, so I'm free to believe it as much as I want.
Also, when I imagine events S5 and later in my head, I can just pretend he doesn't have his stupid goatee and ugly brown hair; that is contradicted by canon, but since it's just in my head and I'm not doing fanart, I think it's okay.
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Date: 2010-08-11 09:05 pm (UTC)What I do hate is the kind of fanon that insists that people in shows are "really" gay and totally in love with each other. I personally am a big fan of the intense masculine conflicted relationship, and I can even accept that certain characters (male or female) are, in some way, "in love" with each other, but I think it takes more for two basically straight characters to just go and have sex, and this kind of fanfiction always leaves me very dissatisfied.
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Date: 2010-08-11 09:18 pm (UTC)I think the Minbari have three sexes.
I'll wait for the laughter to die down. :P But seriously, I'm half-convinced (or at least convinced enough to think about using it in fic, which is sort of the same?). It all happened because I started paying attention to the variations in their head-crests, and I noticed that all the women either had the swirly-smooth version that Delenn has or, in the Rangers or the Warrior caste, the same sharp craggy style as the men... but there's two styles among the men. One is the sharp crags like on Neroon and Dukhat, but the other, which only seems to show up in the Religious caste (that I've noticed) is all smooth and rounded, but totally different from the women's. Lennier has it, Forell in "Lines of Communication" has it... and I can't think of anyone else, although we might see it occasionally in background shots.
The alternate theory, for me, is that the smooth version is the "younger" variation of the male crest, and that it grows craggier and sharper as they get older. Second viewing reminded me that Lennier's really not all that young, though, and then
And poor Sheridan. I love his goatee. ...Besides, Delenn totally tricked him into growing it. If he knew that Dukhat'd had one, he'd probably be a little worried. ♥
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Date: 2010-08-11 09:21 pm (UTC)I've been sitting here for literally ten minutes trying to think of other fanon things from other shows - and I know that I know plenty - and I'm coming up blank, too. WTF.
Slash is such a touchy subject in fandom. I'm not necessarily pro- or anti- but I do think certain fandoms can get kind of myopic when it comes to shipping and slash specifically. I'm thinking of the kind of fans that reduce an entire show down to a single relationship, ignore everything else, and then go crazy. You know, the ones that end up on Fandom Wank. I think there's something positive to be gained from fans saying, no, we're not just going to accept a heteronormative view where everyone's default straight and just because the one relationship we've seen this character in was het that doesn't necessarily mean anything. BUT, I think for me is when it's an insistence that it's canon, like you said. Fanon? Fine. Personal fanfic ship preference? Okay. But when it turns into the "how I interpret the show is the only right way," then it doesn't matter if it's slash or something else, it's wanky.
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Date: 2010-08-11 09:28 pm (UTC)"Maybe I should shave it off."
"DON'T YOU DARE."
Next morning:
"...where did all my razors go?"
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Date: 2010-08-11 09:28 pm (UTC)Also:
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Date: 2010-08-11 09:31 pm (UTC)I have nothing against slash, either, but people tend to become so obsessive about it, it's just annoying. Also, I don't know a lot of people who can write it convincingly *and* be consistent with the show's universe, let alone the characters. People with whole personalities who have been developed by talented writers over years suddenly are cardboard creatures who can only think about sex. Blah.
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Date: 2010-08-11 09:32 pm (UTC)...Although you're probably right about the diary entries. :P
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Date: 2010-08-11 09:34 pm (UTC)Let's see, my own personal bits of fanon:
- Delenn, Mayan and Branmer basically grew up together; Delenn and Mayan are distant cousins, and Branmer met them at school.
- David Sheridan (II) was mostly educated on Minbar, but spent his last few years of education on Earth, attending the same Jesuit school as Jeffrey Sinclair. Parent-teacher night with Delenn: A BLAST.
- even though we never see them, Sheridan and Delenn have a vast army of staff supporting their roles in the ISA. Sheridan's press secretary considers herself to have the worst job in the galaxy.
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Date: 2010-08-11 09:34 pm (UTC)Yeah, the myopic thing. When it comes down to just the slash and nothing else, it's creepy. Like, that's totally why I refuse to even look at Supernatural fandom; not only is it the obsessive insistence on slash, it's between two brothers. NO NO BAD FANS NO.
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Date: 2010-08-11 09:37 pm (UTC)(I also wonder whether Lennier's journals make mention of Delenn's role in starting the war against Earth, and if Sheridan ever reads them. There's a fic in that somewhere.)
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Date: 2010-08-11 09:37 pm (UTC)God, your second point - specifically about parent/teacher night - made me laugh. But yeah, I can see that, too.
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Date: 2010-08-11 09:40 pm (UTC)There need to be so many fics about Sheridan finding out Delenn started the war. I can't believe JMS just decided to never go there; when you've got some prime drama fuel, you GO THERE GODDAMN IT.
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Date: 2010-08-11 09:42 pm (UTC)I love tv :-)
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Date: 2010-08-11 09:44 pm (UTC)And: YES to swirly hearts. :-)
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Date: 2010-08-11 09:54 pm (UTC)(Am I the only Sheridan fangirl who liked the goatee?)
Oh, and I always figured Delenn was in love with Dukhat. Mirroring Lennier's love for her. Maybe this is actually hinted at in canon, I dunno?
I have some more stupid and weird ones I don't feel like posting right now. :)
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Date: 2010-08-11 09:56 pm (UTC)But stupid and weird fanon is the best!
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Date: 2010-08-11 09:59 pm (UTC)LOL, I can see Riker/Crusher. I have a bizarro crush on JFrakes, so I can understand the women of the Enterprise responding to his animal magnetism. And, you know, if Picard or Crusher aren't going to be with each other, I'd rather they be with another crew member we know and love and not a stupid annoying woman whose name means 'cow.'
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Date: 2010-08-11 10:00 pm (UTC)